An Open Letter to Yeshiva World News

by Y-Love on January 30, 2013

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A particular commenter [not a "group of people" - ed.] on The Yeshiva World News Coffee Room forum (a messaging and “schmoozing” forum for Orthodox and ultra-Orthodox Jews) decided to bring me up today in a conversation about Israel’s Am Shalem party, in a context of speaking about “insincere converts”. Here is my response:

My entire life I lived with two axioms: “G-d is always there” and “Judaism is correct”.

As long as I can remember, I always knew: G-d “was watching” my actions and wanting me to do good, and that I was destined to become a Jew. What else would make a 7-year-old child clamor for a yarmulke and say kiddush on video?  What would make a child throw his mother’s loaves of bread out in 2nd grade, so as not to have chametz (leavened grain) over Passover?  My faith in G-d has never been something I “questioned” or “struggled with” — atheism was never an option in my mind.

I grew up with a desire to observe Torah; every law I learned during my teen years, I struggled to keep.  I cried myself to sleep listening to the D’Veykus IV album, drenched in guilt, after losing my virginity to a boy when I was 15.  At every point in my life, Torah was on the radar – whether I listened or not was a different story.  When I turned 21, I knew I needed to make a concrete move to put Torah in my life.  I also “knew that being gay was wrong” – having been in the closet since first realizing “I like boys” as a child.  I packed my bags and moved to Brooklyn to become a chassid.  I decided I was going to put my previous life behind me, and in the place of the old me would stand a new Creation of Hashem, ready to do His Divine Will.

A new child of G-d. A new heterosexual child of G-d.

The Torah is as clear of G-d’s omnipotence as it is in its prohibition of mishkav zachar — “היד ה’ תקצר”/”is the Hand of G-d limited?” asks the Torah rhetorically. G-d can make vinegar burn as the Talmud says, He “makes the great small and makes the small great”, He Creates light and forms darkness. You’re damn right I was asking G-d to “cure me” back then – why shouldn’t I? Didn’t G-d want me to be straight? Could He not make me straight? And so I would pray for Him to do so.

The Gemara tells us in Yevamot that a convert is like a newborn child — the commentator Aruch LaNer tells us that we can look at this as if the non-Jew “died” in the conversion process, his place being taken by a new Jew. As far as I was concerned, gay me was dead, Jewish me was taking his place.

Where in the hell does one get off saying that my conversion was only “masking my [homosexuality]“? Can this person — presumably heterosexual — imagine the level of faith, of sheer mesirat nefesh (dedication), required to get one to act out of their inborn orientation and put it behind? The only equivalent that comes to mind is for a heterosexual man to be sodomized. Yet, this is precisely what I went through, after years in yeshiva, when I got married in 2003.

Our Sages teach that under the wedding canopy, all gates of prayer are opened and all sin is forgiven – and also teach that “He who comes to purify himself, Heaven helps him.” Here I was, under a wedding canopy, praying for the ability to be with my wife and produce children (undoubtedly a mitzvah right?) – and after four arduous hours of attempting, I was shown from Heaven that my answer was “no”.

Every gay indiscretion during my charedi life was followed by intense amounts of guilt and prayer. I went to therapists.  I dated women for years. I gave charity. I immersed myself (alone, thank you very much) at sunrise. Any hishtadlus (effort) the anti-gay person would suggest, I did repeatedly. What else would you have me do?  Continue – married to a woman I increasingly resent, seeking stronger and stronger pharmaceuticals to numb my self-hatred, looking to “the kids” as my life’s only highlight?

What you see here is now a gay Jew who is trying to realize His place in the Divine plan, finding a place halachically, and realizing that that place is not next to a woman in a faux-heterosexual charade. I am out and proud as gay for all those kids out there going through what I went through, exhorting them to ask their rabbis for better answers than I was given back then.  I call myself OTD (Off the Derech/ex-observant) now, because of interpersonal issues I have with the charedi world. Who is to say I won’t return to my previous level of observance?

And I have no time for those who would say that I can’t.

G-d saw every tear of mine, heard every prayer of mine, and knows that כיון דנייחא לי שעתא, since Judaism was good with me once (and still is), I’m “as Jewish as Tevye” (to quote the film).  Baruch Hashem.

  • Benignuman

    Y-Love,

    Very well said. I should point out that there was only one idiot questioning your geirus.  I will try to post a link to your response on Yeshiva World.

  • Tshuva

    I don’t understand your incessant promotion of averas on FB. I understand everyone has their challenges, but the way you deal with your issues in such a public way seems to encourage people to overlook Hashem’s will and to justify averas. I wish you the best of luck and blessings! Tshuva.

  • http://twitter.com/sageblessing Jennifer גבריאלה Ray

    If you don’t understand, perhaps it’s time you move on to something else on Facebook. Like Farmville.

  • http://twitter.com/ylove Y-Love

    Being gay is IDENTITY not action.
    Even if I were to never touch a man again (G-d forbid) I would still be as gay as a basket full of rainbows and house music.

  • http://twitter.com/sageblessing Jennifer גבריאלה Ray

    For all their “pious”, self-righteous chatter, I hope the individual badmouthing you will stop at some point and remember that story about the guy who badmouthed a rabbi’s character, then tried to take back what he said. The rabbi threw all those feathers into the wind and told the guy to gather each one of them up… which was impossible, because the wind had scattered each one of the feathers in totally random directions. Once someone dares to accuse you of not being a sincere convert, especially in so public a way, even under a dinky little username… they can’t just take it back and magically undo all the damage done. You might forgive them, but at this point, it’s really too late. I hope that whoever said all that 1. reads your words and learns something about the reality of being gay as well as a true Jew, and 2. is ready to beg G-d’s forgiveness, because trying to defame someone’s character IS worse than murder. (Not to mention the dozens of times G-d states in the Torah that we are to love the convert and treat him like everyone else.)

  • Mazeartist

    Yitz, I understand your situation. One of my closest friends is an orthodox single dad. He divorced his ex because he is gay. He identifies as gay too. And as orthodox. Unlike you however, he is not in any relationship with men because he wishes to remain true to God’s laws while being open about his identity.

  • http://twitter.com/Gruven_Reuven Reuven Fischer

    Right on Y-Love!!

  • Havah

    Yitz, Proud to call you a friend!
    Love and respect always,

    Havah Hope

  • Havah

    Yitz, Proud to call you a friend!
    Love and respect always,

    Havah Hope

  • http://twitter.com/ylove Y-Love

    “He is not in any relationship with men because he wishes to remain true to G-d’s laws” – I like your choice of words, “remain true”, because it leaves the door open to you.

    I could bring up 1,000 halachic proofs, you’ll just say they’re not “true to G-d’s Laws”. I’ve heard “this is forbidden according to the spirit of the law”, I’ve heard “this is not what G-d wants”. These are convenient little quips, IMO, which stop the responder from having to do actual halachic analysis. But unless there is an actual violation, the whole “sin” framework doesn’t even form.

    I’d actually suggest your friend join an organization like Eshel or Chavruta (if he’s in Israel), an organization of Orthodox LGBT Jews. It sounds like he’s still measuring himself with the same yardstick heterosexuals use.

  • Dana Friedman

    That was great. Anyone who goes through the mental machinations required to come up with the theory that Yitz Jordan would convert to Judaism because he’s gay is underthinking it a whole lot. He would be hated by the Westboro Baptist Church (and their types) for being gay, and then takes on being the victim of anti-semitism, ALONG with racism (which he gets among the Orthodox Jews anyway)? I wouldn’t have the mesiras nefesh to do all that.

    Yitz Jordan is more than just Y-Love. He’s an amazing, complex person. BUT, Y-Love the musician has much more than Jew cred. He has street cred, he’s cool, his music brings inspiring messages and lessons of Judaism to kids and adults that the stoners—those are the charedi people who throw rocks at people whose clothing choices they disagree with—could never inspire anyone the way Y-Love teaches and inspires such a wide range of people.

    Thanks for you words here, Yitz. I’m sorry some people have thought of you and addressed you with such ignorance and lack of even basic kavod ha’briyos. I’d much rather learn from you than from them.

  • Sergey Kadinsky

    He goes out with men, just doesn’t do intercourse. If you have halachic proofs, why isn’t your opinion the conventional wisdom then? I only mean to offer constructive dialogue. What you feel inclined to do is up to you.

  • http://twitter.com/ylove Y-Love

    OK - @d2f3ade9ef4fd8b8f6253b1f981c90b3:disqus for instance. It’s like I say a few times on various sites, the Chazon Ish makes the distinction between oral and anal relations. Why don’t a lot of rabbis? All they do is say “Reuven + Shimon = abomination” and leave it that. That’s disingenuous. 

  • Aviglman

    I really feel for you bro, you are a tremendous human being. I am a Chareidi Jew and I truly respect you. I’m sure G-d the all-seeing recognizes you as such too. 

  • http://twitter.com/rgoldstand Ronit Goldstand

    An amazingly honest+beautiful response. May HaShem continue to make His presence felt in your life – and as for you, please keep on being the inspiration that you are!

  • Chayala

    LOVE YOU, Y-LOVE!

  • Brandon

     Wanting to ask this in an open and honest way…  Are there any other “sins” out there, like the one under discussion here (which I suppose is the act of sodomy between two men?), that have to do with one’s identity?  Gathering sticks on Saturday, for example, seems like a transgression that is not likely to go against one’s core of being, sexual or otherwise.  I am curious if God even “cares” about notions such as one’s identity or inherent sexual preference.  Or at least, if She does, She has clearly organized an unusually complex situation for certain people, with regard to certain sins… Far more complex than making sure to write some words on your doorpost… 

  • http://www.facebook.com/warren.burstein Warren Burstein

    Your attacker is the same guy behind this blog http://creedmoorer.blogspot.co.il/.  He keeps moving around (he’s gone through more screennames on the currently nearly dormant site hashkafah.com than I can count), but if you google the three words Creedmoor Chronicles mishkav you’ll see what sort of things are on his mind.

  • Riqi G

    well said, well said.

  • Y-Mach Shmo

    Yes, you are as “Jewish” as Tevye – a fictional character.

  • http://twitter.com/ylove Y-Love

    o rly? I got a mL of blood that says different.

  • Tshuva

    um, ok? if yitz had a tiva for beating women and promoted it on facebook as much as he does homosexuality you’d be on somebody else’s bandwagon. 

  • Tshuva

    fantastic. start an organization. mentor kids. terrific. but you’re not just using fb to promote your gay identity, but gayness in general. bezrat Hashem you will get to the point where you feel you’re back “on the derech” and can truly mentor gay Jewish kids from healthy ground. Hashem should bless you. 

  • Benignuman

    You are the low-life that started this on Yeshiva World aren’t you? 

    (Y-Love, I clicked “like” to this comment while trying to click “reply,” please remove the “like” if possible. I don’t want anyone to think that there is someone who agrees with this guy.)

  • Brandon

    Oh Tesuva,

    Get over yourself and your condescending tone.  ”Bezrat Hashem you will do xyz (what YOU think is good and proper…)  And this “Hashem should bless you” as your closing line.  

    Here’s some condescension right back at you:  Wow, you are so righteous, that repentance is your pseudonym.  Allow me to bless you that you continue to give charity and work on YOURSELF.  Amen.

  • Tshuva

    Brandon, no one’s talking to you. Yitz himself stated that he’s off the d. I sincerely thank you for the blessing. May the blesser be blessed as well. 

  • ACARINGJEW

    YOU SHOULD BE SODOMIZED! You convert to  Judaism and now your out screwing dudes. you just tainted the jewish race with more gay blood. there is already enough gays that were born jewish. why would you convert to judaism knowing you were gay and expect G-d to just cure you under the chupah? you also ruined a jewish girls life by forcing yourself onto her knowing it wouldnt last and you didnt want her in the first place. GO TO HELL 

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